tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675087351939177300.post2095892385086607206..comments2023-08-15T09:39:41.235-05:00Comments on Sutured for a Living: Eight Too Manyrlbateshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15236331355857884458noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675087351939177300.post-80352280401206705952009-02-06T15:43:00.000-06:002009-02-06T15:43:00.000-06:00What protection do doctors have if a patient lies ...What protection do doctors have if a patient lies to them? I'm sure her body could have told the doctor some truth about the children to which she had given birth. Doctors are in a vulnerable position if a patient is purposely manipulating them. I guess you develop a "sixth sense" about the truthfulness of patients. Are there any investigative resources for doctors? A clearinghouse of medical records? Any fingerprint and DNA databases for medical purposes? (OK, I watch too many CSI shows! LOL)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675087351939177300.post-8724140504547336782009-02-04T00:23:00.000-06:002009-02-04T00:23:00.000-06:00I agree, Moof. It will be over when she has succe...I agree, Moof. It will be over when she has successfully raised 14 healthy, mentally stable children into adulthood. <BR/><BR/>As a California taxpayer, I'm extremely frustrated by the situation. Californians have been told that all tax refunds are on hold because there's no money. While no one has said that she is getting financial assistance from the state, I find myself wondering how in the hell a single woman is going to pay to raise 14 children. <BR/><BR/>I would love to be on my way in terms of my education, but I have to work and go to school, which slows the process. This has been the case since I was 16. <BR/><BR/>It pisses me off that all the talking heads are giving her so much attention and reinforcing her bad behavior. <BR/><BR/>Oh, and, no one has mentioned this yet... one of the 6 already at home has autism. She's already got her hands full!Return Of Saturnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11213074885041424996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675087351939177300.post-69307632277955590752009-02-02T18:52:00.000-06:002009-02-02T18:52:00.000-06:00Dr Bates, this is a very informative post and you ...Dr Bates, this is a very informative post and you hit on a lot of things I have not read any place else.<BR/><BR/>The stories keep changing surrounding this. As Robin states, I have read now on several sites that she may have very well had insurance to cover this. Supposedly through Kaiser.<BR/><BR/>It will be interesting to keep reading the updates and see where this all goes and to eventually find out all the truths. Like who the doctor is?Cathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13540096932312929506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675087351939177300.post-62658808275834555482009-02-02T18:04:00.000-06:002009-02-02T18:04:00.000-06:00Years ago we had a similar situation here in Engla...Years ago we had a similar situation here in England where a woman underwent IVF and ended up with 8. The whole thing became an absolute circus and I tired of the story long before it came to conclusion, so I now can't remember if she actually birthed 8 or lost them or what. I just remember the whole media trip and being disgusted. <BR/><BR/>I'm trying very hard to consider both views here, given that my cousin had IVF and ended up with triplets. However, it does have to be added that this was her FIRST pregnancy, she paid handsomely for her treatment, and tragically - due to a very premature birth - she lost one. <BR/><BR/>Her husband, soon after the boys were born and before the death, wrote that he did not believe humans should have litters. It was too traumatic - for both parents. He is himself a twin and he said 2 was as many as women should have to cope with. <BR/><BR/>No matter how hard I try, I cannot see the other side. It's insane. I'm with you on this one RLB ... and pretty much everyone else it seems! Those poor poor children - ALL of them.Jabulanihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12847825459654555235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675087351939177300.post-39176296422267958062009-02-02T17:55:00.000-06:002009-02-02T17:55:00.000-06:00Dr. Bates, you've covered the subject very thoroug...Dr. Bates, you've covered the subject very thoroughly, and I learned quite a bit that I didn't know.<BR/><BR/>I also agree with the better part of those who've commented on your post. Although I'm really down on the idea of medmal lawsuits, I agree with Bongi that in this case, I would make an exception.<BR/><BR/>I've read in a few places that some people were saying it should be a time of "rejoicing" because everything went so well. I don't agree. It's a huge <I>relief</I> that everything went so well ..<BR/><BR/>... although it's nowhere near over yet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675087351939177300.post-48752621168619674202009-02-02T14:35:00.000-06:002009-02-02T14:35:00.000-06:00Apparently there is much question, as well, about ...Apparently there is much question, as well, about whether she was truthful with the doc who was involved--for all of the reasons above, and many more, I would hope that the doc had no clue about her previous children. <BR/><BR/>This story makes me truly sick, and Ramona, you took the words out of my mouth: human females are not built to have litters.DrBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15957078718446547740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675087351939177300.post-15297261437164319072009-02-01T14:38:00.000-06:002009-02-01T14:38:00.000-06:00Integrative Psychiatry, thanks for you insightful ...Integrative Psychiatry, thanks for you insightful comment.rlbateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15236331355857884458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675087351939177300.post-11693158200991653972009-02-01T14:34:00.000-06:002009-02-01T14:34:00.000-06:00Thanks for this post. This story was interesting f...Thanks for this post. <BR/><BR/>This story was interesting from the get go, 8 babies? family files for bankruptcy? previous 6 other kids? no father? no job? alleged obsession with having children? living odd student loans? its complicated. <BR/><BR/>It difficult to assess someones motivation to give birth to a number of children at the far upper end of of the bell curve of normalcy without actually asking them.... <BR/><BR/>Having said that, the reasons are many and certainly not limited to these: <BR/><BR/>-Religious/cultural <BR/>-Economic/Poverty (to generate income) <BR/>-Psychiatric: delusions, poor judgment/insight, emotional needs<BR/><BR/>As this story unfolds and the details of the severe medical complications and astronomical costs associated with multiple births unfold, I think the ethics of birthing a litter (yes, I call it that as well) must be explored further. <BR/><BR/>If what I read is true, I would begin with a few questions which raised some flags: <BR/>-why pursue multiple IVF treatments for more than the avg amt of children?<BR/>-whats the pt's insight into her ability to care for multiple children on own (assuming parents help is limited and no father present)<BR/>-what are her reasons for continuing to live at home as an adult?<BR/>-what are her motivations for seeking economic support from inappropriate sources (student loans, immune from bankruptcy status btw...) <BR/><BR/>I imagine the State will not only get involved regarding the financial and ethical aspects of this case, but unfortunately child protective services may be right around the corner (due to neglect).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675087351939177300.post-37788811887223972702009-02-01T00:50:00.000-06:002009-02-01T00:50:00.000-06:00this woman can not be right in the head and now ma...this woman can not be right in the head and now many children are going to suffer as a result. <BR/><BR/>but i wonder about both her mother who i see as an enabler by financing her lifestyle (a student needs an external source of income) and giving her a place to stay, thereby not making her earn her own way in life. the mother must have known about her intentions to go for more infertility treatment. i doubt she took a strong stance on that point either. she must bear at least some of the responsibility.<BR/><BR/>then the doctors. she had 7 children already for crying out loud. she did not need fertility treatment. just because you can do something doesn't mean you must do it. this is one time when i actually hope those doctors are sued, if not for questionable ethics, then for stupidity. surely you can sue for stupidity in america?Bongihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12918640034313468627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675087351939177300.post-71678836275101419062009-01-31T22:49:00.000-06:002009-01-31T22:49:00.000-06:00Some articles are saying “doctors implanted far fe...Some articles are saying “doctors implanted far fewer than eight embryos but they multiplied. Experts said this could be possible since Nadya Suleman's system has likely been hyperstimulated for years with fertilization treatments and drugs.” <A HREF="http://www.startribune.com/nation/38747437.html?page=3&c=y" REL="nofollow">[Tribune Link]</A><BR/><BR/>Also, I believe her first six children were by IVF, according to Nadya's mother.<BR/><BR/>I also read several blog sites with comments saying the Washington Post and other sites are saying she has insurance with Kaiser. I am still searching for verification of that.<BR/><BR/>I also read that California law will not allow someone who is already on welfare to get more money for children born after they are on it. This was put in place to decrease the "have a child to get another payment" syndrome. So, if she IS already on welfare, which does not so far seem to be the case, she won't benefit from these children with it.Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14910816445824791436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675087351939177300.post-54199026439716933042009-01-31T19:37:00.000-06:002009-01-31T19:37:00.000-06:00The most ridiculous thing about this story is the ...The most ridiculous thing about this story is the first thing you mentioned. Why was someone with seven children offered fertility treatment in the first place? Can't imagine any licensed physician with half a brain doing that knowingly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675087351939177300.post-84024674378551525122009-01-31T19:28:00.000-06:002009-01-31T19:28:00.000-06:00Penny, Nadya's mother says she had invitro fertili...Penny, Nadya's mother says she had invitro fertilization so doctors had to be involved. I think the doctor(s) should have said no to her and sent her to counseling. I agree with you about the "poor children". They are the innocents here.rlbateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15236331355857884458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675087351939177300.post-52229801038220416302009-01-31T19:23:00.000-06:002009-01-31T19:23:00.000-06:00One of the reports I read (sorry, can't remember w...One of the reports I read (sorry, can't remember which media outlet) offered the suggestion that so many drugs can be bought online, even infertility meds...and that the mother may have obtained the fertility meds online. <BR/><BR/>My ignorance abounds on the topic, so I don't know if simply popping a pill or taking an injection can increase fertility to the point of eight naturally fertilized eggs. If a medical professional was required to implant eight embryos, then I do hope they are not sued by the mother. <BR/><BR/>I feel terribly sorry for all 14 children of this woman. They will be growing up what I would consider a very unfit environment!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675087351939177300.post-90357400684374752012009-01-31T18:50:00.000-06:002009-01-31T18:50:00.000-06:00Given her penchant for living off grants, loans, '...Given her penchant for living off grants, loans, 'other monies (welfare?) and now asking the media for money to interview her...how long before she listens to the media saying "this never should have happened, protocol was breached" ...and she then in turns sues the doc and hospital involved?Dreaming againhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15717590226520457326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675087351939177300.post-54731727381131377522009-01-31T18:34:00.000-06:002009-01-31T18:34:00.000-06:00Remember that here in Los Angeles all those costs ...Remember that here in Los Angeles all those costs will be at least double. <BR/><BR/>In 1998 when my first child was born and it was completely uneventful, the bill was in excess of $8,000. I was in the hospital with her for 2 days.<BR/><BR/>As a California taxpayer I'm calling for blood from the MD that did this.Jessica Gottliebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16661278347874746188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675087351939177300.post-19117976934353599552009-01-31T18:08:00.000-06:002009-01-31T18:08:00.000-06:00There are serious ethical concerns here with the I...There are serious ethical concerns here with the IVF team who enabled this. Protocol would suggest the implantation of 2 embryos at most - and probably none in the case of a woman who is not infertile.<BR/><BR/>I wonder if the State of California will try to collect from the doctor(s) who helped? Yikes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com